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bigface 发表于 2008-3-11 00:58

(转)关于时间伦理的分析文章,多图!

[align=center][align=center][b][font=&quot][size=28pt]Lost: A Theory on Time Travel[/size][/font][/b][/align][/align][align=center][align=center][b][font=&quot][size=16pt]The Timeline of Lost[/size][/font][/b][/align][/align][size=11pt] [/size]
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[b][font=&quot][size=11pt]Early1800’s[/size][/font][/b][font=&quot][size=11pt]: The Black Rock was a slave boat crossing the Pacific.
The boat was transporting a large assortmentof metallic minerals, which were highly reactive to other forces ofmagnetism.
Unexpectedly, the boatencounters the island of LOST.
Beingthat the island has unique magnetic properties, the magnetic materials on theboat “react” with the magnetic forces on the island, and the boat is literallyhoisted onto the island.
The boat,having strong levels of magnetism, creates a [b]hole[/b] in the invisible bubble that surrounds the island – this holeis at coordinate “325”, or the “special location/coordinate” that Daniel’s teamtravels through to get to the island.
Many of the inhabitants of the Black Rock, including AlvarHanso, become who we now know as DHARMA.
Once the Slave boat leaders learned of themagical magnetic capabilities of the island, they bring in a massive researchcrew.
On the other hand, the slaves fromthe Black Rock go into hiding on the island, and become who now know as the“others” - Richard is one of their descendents.[/size][/font]
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[b][font=&quot][size=11pt]1960’s[/size][/font][/b][font=&quot][size=11pt]: TheDHARMA initiative was created for the enhancement of the human race.
What initially began as human researchdeveloped into a massive project that was designed to test fate.
At some point during DHARMA’S studies,someone managed to create a time machine.
This time machine isn’t a Delorian with a fluxcapacitor.
It’s, in fact, muchsimpler.
Let’s say that DHARMA created atime machine, and activated it in 1960 – then, after 1 year of the time machinerunning, someone decides to enter the machine in 1961.
They can only go back in time, and they canonly go back in time up to 1 year (back to 1960, when the time machine started“running”).
Furthermore, once you goback in time, you’re STUCK in the past.
You cannot go back to 1961, because you now EXIST in the past.
In addition to your body going through thetime machine, say you contracted a deadly disease in 1965, but went back to1960, before you developed the disease – you wouldn’t have the disease when youstepped out of the time machine in a past time.
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[font=&quot][size=11pt]So, DHARMA, now understanding thepower of such a device, decides to move the experiment to a remote island,where they can test the time machine in seclusion.
Before DHARMA ever started sending humansback in time (via the time machine), they began their studies with otheranimals, such as polar bears.
They wouldsend a polar bear back in time a few years, and then change its habitat to seeif it could “survive.”
DHARMA saw thatonce polar bears had gone back in time, they could survive on the island, andin remote deserts.
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[font=&quot][size=11pt]Shortly after the experimentationwith the polar bears, DHARMA starts sending people back in time.
Over a few years of researching the timemachine, DHARMA becomes curious to see if this time machine can allow people toalter the course of history.
In order tosee if people can “change a future that’s already written,” DHARMA beginssimple tasking their time travelers with doing things to alter the course ofhistory.
Unfortunately, these peoplethat were going back in time were not able to do anything to permanently alterthe future that was already laid out.
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bigface 发表于 2008-3-11 00:59

继续。。。。

[font=&quot][size=11pt]Now getting desperate to provethat there’s ANY benefit to the new time machine, DHARMA decides to round up agroup of the locals to the island (the others/hostiles) for “testing” purposesto see if they can cure diseases.
DHARMAreleases a disease on the island which infects many of the Others.
Then DHARMA claims to the others that theycan cure the disease with this special “device,” the device being a timemachine.
This, however, is NOT obviousto the Others - they just want to get cured, and thinkthe time machine is some type of complex vaccination.
What DHARMA is actually trying to test is ifpeople go back in time to a point before they were infected, can they be curedof the virus?
As fate would predict, theothers go back in time and are cured of the virus, only to be later killed bythe smoke monster, as the monster is the “physical means” in which the timelinecourse corrects itself.
DHARMA, seeingthis smoke monster for the first time, is now officially fearful that this timemachine will end up serving no purpose whatsoever.
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[b][font=&quot][size=11pt]1970-1985[/size][/font][/b][font=&quot][size=11pt]: Ben’smother is recruited by DHARMA to come to the island and work on this timemachine.
After several years of testing,she too has given up on its abilities.
She has also met Richard, the future leader of the Others,and he tells her about the horrible experimentation that DHARMA did to hispeople, resulting in the death of several Others.
Ben’s mom quickly grows to hate DHARMA forthe morals that they’re willing to ignore in the name of science.
She deems it her destiny to bring down DHARMAfor the hurt that they’ve brought upon the innocent.
But, instead, she decides to kill two birdswith one stone: instead of just leaving the island and possibly angering DHARMAat her departure, she decides to use the time machine to go back in time to thepoint at which she came to the island.
Then, she leaves the island.
Thisway, it would appear to the outside world that she never even left to go to theisland.
She’s going back in time tore-live 15 years of her life that she lost out on while she was doing testingin the island.
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[b][font=&quot][size=11pt]1970[/size][/font][/b][font=&quot][size=11pt]: Ben’smother has traveled approximately 15 years back in time, back to 1970, whereshe finds herself back in Oregon.
She meets a great guy, marries him, and getspregnant.
But, she was childless in thealternate future that she lived out on the island.
Unfortunately for her, DHARMA had not yetdiscovered that connections between the dying children/mothers and timetravel.
(Remember when Juliet sees the xray of the woman who was only 26, but with a 70-year-oldwomb?
Apparently, a unique effect of timetravel is that your womb will always age, however, your body won’t age).
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[font=&quot][size=11pt]When the time comes for Ben’s momto give birth, she dies, but still manages to produce a baby boy.
The reason she died was because[b] the timeline was course correcting to replaceher with Ben[/b].
In a way, Ben is theembodiment of her, and was thus “created” to fulfill her legacy as thedisgruntled DHARMA engineer that would ultimately bring down the shadycorporation.
It’s Ben’s role to figureout how to “work around” fate, and to find a way to make the time machine“work” without using DHARMA’s methods.[/size][/font]
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[b][font=&quot][size=11pt]1980[/size][/font][/b][font=&quot][size=11pt]: It’s notlong after Ben’s mother’s death that their good friend Horace recommends thatthey go to the island.
Horace is likely affiliatedwith DHARMA, and was sent to investigate Ben’s mother.
After finding out about her death, he senther husband and Ben to the island so that DHARMA could “contain” a potentialhiccup in time.
When Ben and his dad getto the island, we find out that Ben’s father was merely to become a peon forDHARMA.
Ben was the real reason thatthey came to the island: It was Ben’s legacy to fulfill his mother’sdestiny.
Ben, unfortunately, isn’t awareof this at the time.
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[b][font=&quot][size=11pt]1981[/size][/font][/b][font=&quot][size=11pt]:
After a good bit of time on the island, Benhears and sees his dead mother outside his house on the island!
The reason he sees her is because in an “alternatefuture,” she was actually alive and working on this island for DHARMA.
She appears half-dead to him because [b]her dead spirit is designed to “help Benunderstand his destiny”[/b] so that he can carry on her legacy.
Thus, her spirit is time’s way of coursecorrecting the future.
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[font=&quot][size=11pt]Shortly after Ben sees his deadmom, he sees Richard in the jungle, who says “you’re not ready.”
Richard is a time traveler - and aDHARMA-hater.
When Ben first encountersRichard in the jungle, Richard has traveled back in time from the year 2005 to1981.
Thus, while Richard is workingwith Ben, Richard is not aging.
Why didRichard go back in time to get in contact with Ben?
To recruit him.
Richard knew Ben’s mother in the alternatetimeline, so he knows that Ben is an incarnation of his Mother, and that he issome type of prodigy on the island.
Fromthere, Richard and Ben then spend their years plotting on how they willultimately bring down DHARMA, and use the time machine for tests that don’tinvolve killing people.[/size][/font]
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[b][font=&quot][size=11pt]1988:[/size][/font][/b][font=&quot][size=11pt] Rosseau’s crew was an opposing force to DHARMA.
They weren’t affiliated with the Others;however, they were going to the island to investigate “shady businesspractices” being conducted by DHARMA - These business practices being the releasingof the virus to the locals on the island.
Unfortunately, at the point in time, other Others and Ben hadn’tconceived their “master plan” to bring down DHARMA.
However, they didn’t want to expose childrento the experiments of DHARMA.
Once Rosseau lost her baby, she set up a looping signal.
That ran for years on the island, but thesignal was being blocked by the looking glass.
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bigface 发表于 2008-3-11 01:00

[b][font="][size=11pt]1981-2007[/size][/font][/b][font="][size=11pt]: Bengrows up from the age 10 to 37, planning with Richard the “ultimate plan” towipe out DHARMA, the purge.
In the meantime, DHARMA continues to test other unique aspects of the island in order tosee if they can leverage the time machine for some other purpose.
In the midst of this, DHARMA discovers themagnetic anomaly in the island via the SWAN station.
This magnetic anomaly is a bubble thatencompasses the entire island.
Unfortunately, DHARMA only does some basic tests on this anomaly, asthey don’t really know how to use it for anything.
During this time, both the others and DHARMAare trying to learn how they can leverage the time machine “for the greatergood.”
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[b][font="][size=11pt]Duringthe testing of the time machine, DHARMA and the others make the followingdiscoveries about time travel.
Note thatthere is not a specific “definition” of time travel that applies to the show –time travel is simply used as a concept in the show, and the “weird things”that we see are typically fate’s way of course correcting to preserve somethingthat’s meant to happen in the future.[/size][/font][/b]
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[list=1][*][font="][size=11pt]When     someone enters the time machine, they can only go back in time – and only     to a time where the machine was currently running.[/size][/font][*][font="][size=11pt]When     you go back in time, you do not de-age.
For example, if you are 50, and go back 10 years in time, you do     NOT have your 40-year-old body.
HOWEVER, while you are re-living 10 years of your life, you body     will not age until you catch up with the time in which you entered the     time machine.[/size][/font][*][font="][size=11pt]When     you go back in time, you will still have your current hair style, tattoos,     and memory.
However, say you were     paralyzed; fate would need to do some course correction to make sure that     you are still able to play your past role in life.
Thus, time travel can TEMPORARILY cure     any physical ailments you may have had prior to entering the time machine.
However, fate will still find a way to     paralyze you once you catch up with the current time.
Say the first time you were paralyzed,     it was because you were pushed out of a window.
Because “the universe has a funny way of     course correcting,” you may get hit by a car the second time around.[/size][/font][*][font="][size=11pt]When     you go back in time, you can only “change” things that don’t have an     impact on your destiny.
In other     words, if you went to church on a specific date in the past, and then went     back in time, you wouldn’t necessarily go to church in your new     timeline.
However, if you changed a     belief as a result of going to church the first time around, “fate would     find a way to [b]influence[/b] you     into that belief.”
Perhaps you     would have a near death experience, or maybe a mysterious person would     greet you in a jewelry store and tell you that you need to change your     beliefs… or, maybe fate would just kill you since it couldn’t find a way     to change your belief.[/size][/font][*][font="][size=11pt]If     you go back in time and die, you are not “totally” dead because there has     already been a variation of the universe where you were alive in the     future.
Thus, you become “half     dead” until time catches back up.
In     other words, your presence may be known to some people but not     others.
Your presence would only be     known when you are required to make an impact to fate.[/size][/font][*][font="][size=11pt]If     you have never had a child, you cannot go back in time and give     birth.
Fate does not allow for a     new entity to exist in a past where it originally did not exist.
Thus fate would either have to kill the     mother, the baby, or both in order to course correct.
[b]UNLESS[/b],     fate decides to use the baby or mother to “replace” someone else in the     timeline.[/size][/font][*][b][font="][size=11pt]Basically,     the “rules of the time machine” are not governed by any physical definitions     of time travel.
The “rules,” if you     will, are governed by how FATE decides to preserve the timeline.
Thus, if you are required to do     something profound in a future timeline, fate will find any way possible     to preserve the timeline – we’ve seen ghosts and smoke monsters in     LOST.
So according to the show’s     definition of time travel, fate “does have a funny way of course     correcting.”[/size][/font][/b][/list][font="][size=11pt] [/size][/font]
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[b][font="][size=11pt]2007[/size][/font][/b][font="][size=11pt]: Swelledwith hatred, Ben, Richard, and [b]Jacob[/b]go back in time to the year 1996 and wipe out all of DHARMA on the island (ThePurge).
Realizing that there are plentyof DHARMA folk in other aspects of the world (Penny’s father), the Others needto quickly think of something that will prevent DHARMA from ever reaching theisland, and bringing them down.
Inorder to go back in time and remain hidden from the outside world, Ben puts theentire island into a “time loop.”
This timeloop will keep the island suspended in time in the past (in the year 1996) –thus preventing any outside DHARMA people from reaching them on theisland.
Once Ben and Richard start thetime loop, they round up the remaining locals on the island – these peopleultimately grow to become the opposing force to DHARMA, the “others.”
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[font="][size=11pt]In order to create this “timeloop,” Ben and Richard snatch up the time machine from the ARROW station, andmove it to the swan station.
With theengineering mind of Mikhail, they are able to cement the time machine intowalls deep within the swan station.
Inaddition, Mikhail is able to “sync” the time machine up with the magneticanomaly that encompasses the island – thus giving the Others the ability tosend the entire island back in time!
They then rig-up the computer system that requires the pushing of abutton every 108 minutes; however, this button pushing is actually activatingthe time machine every 108 minutes.
So,for a great number of years, DHARMA is able to suspend time on the island by“resetting” the time machine every 108 minutes.
Unfortunately, one of the downsides to this is that time on the islandis contained in its unique magnetic bubble – thus, time in the rest of theworld is still running its course.
Therefore, island time stays in the year 1996, while real world timeeventually reaches the year 2004 at the time of the plane crash.
The only way to pass through the island timeand the real world time would be to use the “special” coordinate, which isreferenced in season 4.
Note that inseason 3, Ben makes a comment to Richard “Remember when we used to celebratebirthdays?”
Well, there wouldn’t be anyreason to celebrate birthdays if the Others are repeating time every 108minutes, and thus not aging.[/size][/font]
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[b][font="][size=11pt]1996-1996(8 years elapse on the island):[/size][/font][/b][font="][size=11pt] While time is staying constant onthe island, the others, now [b]invisible[/b]to the outside world, are able to continue tests in time travel.
The Others want to start a new “world” on theisland.
They want to keep the island inits time loop forever.
They believe thatwith time stopped on the island, the rules of fate won’t apply.
But, what’s the only problem?
With time suspended, and the fact that fatealways kills mothers and babies, the others need to find a way to pro-create onthe island.
Thus, they recruit Juliet toexplore the known pregnancy issue.
Theyalso find a prestigious military officer (Kelvin) to press the button, makinghim think that he’s saving the world.
Meanwhile, the rest of the natives are living out their days while notaging (including Richard, Ben, and all of the others).
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[font="][size=11pt]Because the island is hidden fromthe outside world, Ben and Richard have to be careful in letting people on andoff the island.
Furthermore, you canonly leave the island through the “special coordinate” that the Black Rockcreated over a century ago.
If you don’tleave through that coordinate, you could end up leaving in the year that theisland exists, which would be at some point in the past – this would requireyou to find a “constant” between island time and real world time in order tosurvive.
Conversely, if you were to tryto enter the island from the future into the past island time (assuming youdon’t use the special coordinate), then your mind would become “stuck” betweenthe island time and the real world time – also requiring you to find aconstant.[/size][/font]
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[font="][size=11pt]Jacob is also a time traveler withRichard and Ben; however, we haven’t seen him in his “alive”state.
At some point in time after Jacobgoes back in time with Richard and Ben to start the time loop, Jacob dies.
However, being that Jacob lived in a previoustimeline on the island up to the year 2007, his “spirit” is able to stay alivein order communicate with Ben and Richard.
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bigface 发表于 2008-3-11 01:01

:laughing:

[b][font=&quot][size=11pt]1996-2004(Original Timeline):[/size][/font][/b][font=&quot][size=11pt] While the island is stuck in the year 1996, all ofthe main characters of LOSTS’ lives play out via flashbacks.
We see the initial backstoriesfrom their FIRST iteration through time.
Once the heroes are rescued from the island, they will get to re-livethis part of their lives – as we saw through Jack’s “flashforward”at the end of Season 3.[/size][/font]
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[b][font=&quot][size=11pt]1996(Island Time - around 2001 in the OriginalTimeline):[/size][/font][/b][font=&quot][size=11pt] Juliet is recruited to explore the child birth issue on theisland.
She is genuinely a good person,and will do anything to help her sister.
However, she is not aware of the time loop which is occurring on theisland, and Ben is using her lack of awareness to keep her at the island.
Richard and Ethan leave the island via thespecial coordinate, about 5 years into the time loop to carry out thisrecruiting mission.
Since Ben was fromthe future, he knew that Juliet’s husband would get hit by a bus on a certaindate – so he strategically timed Richard and Ethan’s visit to be a few daysprior to the husband’s accident, knowing that would be a trigger to get Julietto the island.
Also, Ben knew thatJuliet’s sister would ultimately get cured of her cancer and havea baby girl.
That’s why Ben is sopersistent on the fact that if Juliet comes to the island, that they can cureher sister.[/size][/font]
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[b][font=&quot][size=11pt]1996(Island Time - around 2001 in the OriginalTimeline): [/size][/font][/b][font=&quot][size=11pt]Witmore[/size][/font][font=&quot][size=11pt], a majoraffiliate of DHARMA, purchased a journal of the Black Rock at an auction.
The journal gave him the coordinates that theboat traveled through to get to the island.
Witmore hires Libby’s husband to be the first“test subject” to try to reach the island.
He give’s Libby’s husband a boat with pre-programmed coordinates – thiswill ultimately allow him passage into the island, through the time barrier.
However, Libby’s husband unexpectedly dies,and she hands the boat over to Desmond.
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[b][font=&quot][size=11pt]2004(Original Timeline):[/size][/font][/b][font=&quot][size=11pt] The plane crashes on the island because Desmonddidn’t press the button to reset the island time back 108 minutes.
Not pressing the button temporarily stoppedthe time machine from harnessing the power of the magnetic bubble, thuscreating an opening over the island the split second Oceanic 815 flew over – 8years into the island timeloop, and in the year 2004outside the island.
The resulting powerof the current flowing through the magnetic field ripped the plane inhalf.
We, as viewers, are left with twohuge questions: was it a complete coincidence that the plane just happened tocrash over the island leading Locke to not press the button OR did DHARMAsomehow engineer this plane crash to happen the exact second that the planeflew over the island, knowing that specific group of people would free theisland of its time loop?
That, myfriends, brings us back to the theme of LOST – did fate cause the plane crash,or had DHARMA staged certain “characters” to ultimately “lead” our heroes tothe island… [b]OR was it some combinationof both fate and the work of DHARMA?[/b][/size][/font]
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[font=&quot][size=11pt]After the plane crashes, ourheroes now exist in the year 1996 on the island, and they have taken on theirphysical attributes from the year 1996.
Lockeis healed because he hadn’t gotten into his accident until around 2002 – thesame with Rose.
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[b][font=&quot][size=11pt]1996(island time):[/size][/font][/b][font=&quot][size=11pt] All of the events in the first 2 seasons of LOSTtake place.
The hatch is discovered andLocke ultimately ends up not pressing the button and Desmond turns the failsafe.
The turning of the fail safedestroys the time machine, and now the island time is officially moving again;however, the purpose of the fail safe was to permanently set time back to theoriginal start date of 1996!
Now theisland is moving at about 8-9 years behind real world time.
When Desmond turned the fail safe key, hislife flashed before his eyes… Well, actually, he got to “re-live” about 9 yearsof his life!
He got to relive beingrescued from the island, witnessing Charlie’s death, and then starting his lifeup again off the island, meeting Penny, and then ultimately coming back to theisland, thus creating a full loop for his life story.
Desmond could not escape his fate.
The reason only Desmond got to re-live hislife was some function of him being the “key turner” OR the fact that he wasexposed to the extreme magnetic radiation levels in the hatch (which isreferenced in Season 4).
I’d venturethat he was probably “at the heart of the time machine” thus, he was a littlemore clairvoyant to his alternate future than say, the folks who were out onthe beach.
And, that is ultimately howhe gets “flashes” of Charlie’s death.
Who knows how many times Desmond actually got to “re-live” hislife.
And, each time Desmond re-livedhis life, he saw what would ultimately lead our heroes to getting off theisland – and that would be Charlie sending out the message.[/size][/font]
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[b][font=&quot][size=11pt]2007(Original timeline):
Oceanic flight 815is found in the original timeline, at the bottom of the ocean.
[/size][/font][/b][font=&quot][size=11pt]Once DHARMA and Naomi confirm thatthe plane was missing as of the year 2004, DHARMA is able to use theiroff-island time machine to send Naomi back to the year 2004 – she then roundsup a crew [b]in the year 2004[/b] toultimately infiltrate the island to find Ben.
Part of her crew’s mission is also to take the wreckage of Oceanic andmove it to the middle of the ocean so that it can ultimately be found in theyear 2007 (as seen in several characters’ flashforwards).
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[b][font=&quot][size=11pt]1996(island time):[/size][/font][/b][font=&quot][size=11pt] after Desmond is able to finally lead Charlie tohis destiny and losties remove the blocking-signal,Jack is able to communicate to the freighter using Naomi’s device.
Her device is a specially manufactured DHARMAdevice that allows Naomi to communicate in the past with the future DHARMA in2004, on the freighter.
Note that even Sayid pointed out how futuristic the device was – it’sfuturistic because it’s used to communicate between different times!
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[font=&quot][size=11pt]Daniel has his friend on thefreighter launch a payload in order to “test” the special coordinate thatallows passage from the island.
If thepayload had been launched very [b]far[/b]away from the special coordinate, it may have arrived as much as 8 years laterin time!
The fact that the payloadarrived 31 minutes suggested to Daniel that they had almost found the exactcoordinate.
As for the motives ofNaomi’s crew - these are working for DHARMA, they are not happy, and they areafter Ben.
They want to know why DHARMAwas wiped out on the island.[/size][/font]
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bigface 发表于 2008-3-11 01:02

[b][font=&quot][size=11pt]1996(Desmond’s timeline):
[/size][/font][/b][font=&quot][size=11pt]As Sayid and Desmond leave the island, they pass through thetime barrier between the island time and the real world time.
In other words, Desmond is instantly passingfrom the island time of 1996 to the future time of 2004.
Only Desmond is impacted by the “timetransition,” because he was originally exposed to the high levels of themagnetism (aka radiation) in the SWAN hatch for the past 3-4 years.
While Desmond makes the transition, he seesflashes from his past in his original timeline from 1996.
Daniel understand exactly what is happeningto Desmond – so he uses his communication device to talk to the 2004 version ofDesmond in order to create a “constant” for himself so that he could eventuallymake it off the island.
When Desmond isable to make contact with Daniel in the year 1996, this allows the past versionof Daniel to identify Desmond as his very own “constant.”
That is why when Daniel checks his log; he isable to see the newly written content, saying that “Desmond is hisconstant.”
Daniel wasn’t actuallychanging the past by asking Desmond to make contact, he was just trying tofigure out how he could get off the island, and back in to the present year of2004.[/size][/font]
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[font=&quot][size=11pt]Unfortunately for Daniel, Naomiand their crew, they were hand selected by DHARMA to be guinea pigs.
We’d seen in their flashforwardsthat they possibly knew too much about DHARMA – thus they were expendable. [/size][/font]
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[font=&quot][size=11pt]As for the other crew member onthe freighter who’s experiencing Desmond’s symptoms –that guy attempted to get to the island, but didn’t pass through the specialcoordinate.
As a result, his mind wassent from 2004 to 1996, and he didn’t have a “constant” to keep his mindconnected between the two timelines.
Asa result, he died.
So, the only true wayto get to the island is through the special coordinate, which allows passagebetween timelines.[b][/b][/size][/font]
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[b][font=&quot][size=11pt]1996(island timeline):
[/size][/font][/b][font=&quot][size=11pt]Once thepower struggle on the island plays out, 6 “survivors” emerge and leave theisland: Jack, Kate, Hurley, Jin, Sun and Sayid [notethat some of my predicted “6” are still subject to change].
DHARMA takes these 6 people off the islandback to the present year of 2005, and the rest of the survivors remain on theisland in the year 1996; however, DHARMA, nor Ben, ever tell the 6 that theywere previously living in the year 1996 on the island.
Also, the 6 survivors emerge in the year 2004– NOT 2007 when the plane is found.
Thus, their “cover story” comes about BEFORE the wreckage is actuallyfound.
Hence, the need for a “coverstory:” how can you have survivors WITHOUT a plane?[/size][/font]
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[b][font=&quot][size=11pt]2005:[/size][/font][/b][font=&quot][size=11pt]Alongwith the “6,” Ben has also gotten off the island.
Remember that he has traveled from the future(around 2007) back in time to 1996 as well.
Now that Ben is off the island, he uses Sayidto help course correct to ensure that the future to 2007 plays out according toplan.
We’re not exactly sure why Sayid is killing the people that Ben chooses; however, itis likely that these people must die in order to preserve the new timeline – perhapsthey are members of DHARMA, and once Ben can eliminate all of them.
It’s clear, however, that Ben’s interest isnow taking over DHARMA and regaining control over their time machine.
Once he can obtain that, he can travel backin time to 1996, go back to the island, and restart the time loop (hopefully).[b][/b][/size][/font]
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[b][font=&quot][size=11pt]2008:
[/size][/font][/b][font=&quot][size=11pt]Jack has lived about 3-4 years offthe island in the new timeline.
He knowsthat there are people living on the island in the year 1996 (now probably 1999on the island).
So, he decides to doeverything in his power to test fate.
Hedecides that he is going to try to jump off a bridge, just to see if fate cansave him – if it ultimately wants him to come back to the island.
He then reads in the paper that Ben has died– which may create the perfect opportunity to go back to the island, assumingthat Ben was previously preventing them from going back.
One thing to note is that Jack and the othersurvivors may not even be aware that they had lived in the past on theisland.
However, the fact that they arestill alive is testing fate, given that they were meant to die in the planecrash, years ago.
I predict that theshow will end with a final scene that will determine whether or not thesurvivors have “free will” to overcome some type of obstacle that fate would’vedeemed impossible.
What is thatobstacle?
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[font=&quot][size=11pt]Going forward, I can only predicta few things that will happen: Throughout season 4, I think Naomi’s DHARMAfolks will infiltrate the island and there will be a cat and mouse game betweenthe Others, our heroes, and DHARMA.
Ithink that Jack and Ben will slowly start to see eye to eye, and Jack willstart to realize Ben’s pessimistic viewpoint on fate.
However, I don’t believe the “time machine”concept will come into play until the final season.
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[font=&quot][size=11pt]By the end of the series, I thinksome people will stay on the island and some will leave; however, the questionwill remain: will our heroes be able to “beat fate” somehow.
Either way, the failure to keep pressing thebutton and the leading of DHARMA to the island has caused a great burden forBen and the Others, as they now have no control over DHARMA and theisland.
Our only hope is that they canharness some more of the islands powers to finally allow free will to changethe future and stop DHARMA once and for all![/size][/font]
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chandler0819 发表于 2008-3-11 01:03

期待哪位英语+LOST达人翻译一下...:fear:

bigface 发表于 2008-3-11 01:13

个人觉得分析的很强,所以推荐给大家!!!:rolleyes:

calf919 发表于 2008-3-11 13:02

We’re not exactly sure why Sayid is killing the people that Ben chooses; however, itis likely that these people must die in order to preserve the new timeline – perhapsthey are members of DHARMA, and once Ben can eliminate all of them.
It’s clear, however, that Ben’s interest isnow taking over DHARMA and regaining control over their time machine.
Once he can obtain that, he can travel backin time to 1996, go back to the island, and restart the time loop (hopefully).

萨伊德为维护新的时间轴而甘受本驱使。。。呃,虽有些牵强,但也算符合他的行事风格的~
PS:突然想起一部老片,瓦尔特保卫萨拉热窝。。。汗—"—||

Freund 发表于 2008-3-11 15:20

不错,基本上都解释道了~~
不过Walt呢?如果按照它的时间理论,Walt是不是还没有出生?
还有就是黑烟什么的,都是用course correct来解释?

Shootingstar 发表于 2008-3-11 17:07

The Black Rock was a slave boat crossing the Pacific.

Many of the inhabitants of the Black Rock, including AlvarHanso, become who we now know as DHARMA. Once the Slave boat leaders learned of themagical magnetic capabilities of the island, they bring in a massive researchcrew.

On the other hand, the slaves fromthe Black Rock go into hiding on the island, and become who now know as the“others” - Richard is one of their descendents.
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只看了第一段,不知是不是我理解的不好:这里说Black Rock上面的leader变成了DHARMA,奴隶躲进了岛内。 是这个意思么?

如果是的话,应该就不对了吧?在Ben的FB里,Richard说过他们才是岛上的原始居民,DHARMA的人来了以后不肯和他们和睦共处。如果DHARMA和他们乘同一条船一起来....那就不该有先后之分了。

:help:

Freund 发表于 2008-3-11 19:14

[quote]原帖由 [i]Shootingstar[/i] 于 2008-3-11 17:07 发表 [url=http://www.friends6.com/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=1175082&ptid=73207][img]http://www.friends6.com/forum/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
The Black Rock was a slave boat crossing the Pacific.

Many of the inhabitants of the Black Rock, including AlvarHanso, become who we now know as DHARMA. Once the Slave boat leaders learned of thema ... [/quote]

Richard和Ben不是一伙的么,都是the others

臻臻 发表于 2008-3-11 19:36

全英文....头晕~~~~

Freund 发表于 2008-3-11 19:47

[quote]原帖由 [i]臻臻[/i] 于 2008-3-11 19:36 发表 [url=http://www.friends6.com/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=1175149&ptid=73207][img]http://www.friends6.com/forum/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
全英文....头晕~~~~ [/quote]

我是完整看了一遍~~就是那个时间轴高不大清楚

bigface 发表于 2008-3-12 17:26

关于黑烟的一个说法:police:

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The smoke monster is not a machine, nor is itman-made.
The smoke monster is fate’s “physical”means of controlling the universe and preserving the timeline.
The smoke monster exists only on the islandbecause the island is existing in a past time, where there has already been apre-determined future – because the losties are technically from thefuture.
Let’s take Eko, forexample.
He was killed by the smokemonster at the instant at which he had a fundamental change in character.
In his flashbacks, he blamed himself for hisactions; yet, on the island, he came to realize that he had done nothingwrong.
His realization would’ve causedhim to make life-altering decisions in the future.
Therefore, the smoke monster had to kill him,so that he would not make such decisions.
The smoke monster also killed the pilot of 815.
This happened shortly after the pilotrealized facts about the plane that could potentially affect several people –these facts could’ve changed the perspective of everyone on the island, andthus had a huge impact on everyone.
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[font=&quot][size=11pt]When the monster is “scanning”people, it is recording their future, and making sure that their currentactions correlate with what they do in the future.
If the monster sees a discrepancy, it takesaction, and in most cases that we’ve seen – it kills someone.
Luckily for Kate and Locke, the monster sawthat their state on the island wasn’t contradictory to theirfuture-counterparts – therefore, it left them alone. [/size][/font]
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chandler0819 发表于 2008-3-12 17:59

看了两篇...觉得是自编的可能性太大..就不想再看下去了....:innocent:

Freund 发表于 2008-3-12 20:20

[quote]原帖由 [i]chandler0819[/i] 于 2008-3-12 17:59 发表 [url=http://www.friends6.com/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=1176056&ptid=73207][img]http://www.friends6.com/forum/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
看了两篇...觉得是自编的可能性太大..就不想再看下去了....:innocent: [/quote]

他也承认是猜测啊,随着后面剧情的推进,有可能它的猜测有些地方不够准确

patric12 发表于 2008-3-15 03:08

应该很有意思。还是明天早起看吧。

ramona 发表于 2008-3-15 23:38

坚持把原文全看完了,我觉得这为不知名的作者提出的理论对目前已演的情节解释的还是挺好的!
尤其是关于岛上时间有8年时间在1996年循环;解释了为什么Locke和Rose的疾病会突然不见;Des的行动使得岛上时间得以重启,但要晚于现实8年;Widmore和DHARMA的关系......
总之是不错,有意思

还有,棺材里的是Ben :haha: 这个想法太有才了...

[[i] 本帖最后由 ramona 于 2008-3-15 23:43 编辑 [/i]]

bigface 发表于 2008-3-16 05:18

是的,分析的不错才贴上来得,虽然不能证实全部,但是想得还算不错啦,呵呵:laughing:

kirbystar 发表于 2008-3-17 02:37

[quote]原帖由 [i]ramona[/i] 于 2008-3-15 23:38 发表 [url=http://www.friends6.com/forum/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=1178694&ptid=73207][img]http://www.friends6.com/forum/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
坚持把原文全看完了,我觉得这为不知名的作者提出的理论对目前已演的情节解释的还是挺好的!
尤其是关于岛上时间有8年时间在1996年循环;解释了为什么Locke和Rose的疾病会突然不见;Des的行动使得岛上时间得以重启, ... [/quote]
我开始猜棺材里面的是locke
不过幸存的第6人不应该是ben才对

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